Kate looks beautiful even sitting on a tired old hippie (whose hair is actually quite lovely)….or is he God and she is a Fallen Angel ?; nope, should have left this to the smart ones..
oooh, I love those little winged Mercury/Hermes sandals, they’d be even cooler if they could actually fly (like the real Mercury/Hermes). I have nothing more intelligent than that to say.
I could be wrong, but my first impression was that this was some kind of religious image. Maybe the Michaelangelo sculpture where Mary is holding Jesus? http://www.eyeconart.net/history/Renaissance/michelangelo.htm
My very first thought was “Edgy! Trying to rile up the holy rollers.” But I think only heathens like myself remember such things anyway, lol.
I think its really beautiful. I guess it could be a gender switched Pieta..
Which has to be the most hackneyed religious reference in 20th century art of all kinds.
Whether it is or not i love it. I love that it looks maternal or paternal and to me not really sexual. The colours are so soft and lovely.
I tend to hate advertising images because I hate people trying to sell me something. I am stubborn like that. Against my will i love this.
I still hate plastic shoes though, even if they have wings on the side.
any Christians that are going ot be riled up by yet another pieta are stupid. using god to sell things would offend me far more.. but O YES those religious types do that ALL THE TIME.
My first reaction was: oh, that’s what they use now instead of “concrete shoes”, she’ll go down and sink in seconds!
Maybe I’m just pissed off – we had an pro-life, anti-abortion protest in front of the Parliament building, with loads of children trucked from Catholic schools; I wonder if dragging children from public schools to a pro-choice demonstration would be OK. Sorry for going OT…
To clarify: I was thinking it COULD be controversial in some people’s eyes (certainly not mine) in terms of Kate Moss playing the role of a dying Jesus and the wickedly tattooed man in the role of Mary, his hair falling on his shoulders like a veil/habit/burka. lol. But as I said my second thought was, nah… those people won’t get it. 😉
Cricket, are you familiar with Pro-Life (sic) Cupcake Day? They pass out cupcakes to children and tell them if they were aborted they would never have a birthday to celebrate. Think of all the embryos and fetuses who’ve never tasted cake. (Safe to say those weren’t Jehovahs.) I feel the same way about that indoctrination as I do the infuriating “Be Grateful Your Mom Was Pro-Life” bumper stickers. Really? I’m grateful my mother had me by choice, not chance.Forced gestation has no place in a democracy. I hate that they use children like pawns like that.
Oye vey, here I go. If the old dude (he may be younger than me) wasn’t sitting on a cube of sugar I would have liked the image better. And . . . I don’t really go for father/daughter sexual images, or May/December relationships. BWTF, that’s me.
I do love Vivienne Westwood. Maybe the image is supposed to represent the sort of God who’d preside over the fashion world. A “Fashion God,” I suppose. That would explain his tattoos and overall aura of fatherliness yet coolness. Kate is representing a little Lamb from his fashion flock.
Worship at the Church of Fashion God (aka Vivienne and Melissa or whatever) and look just like Kate.
The dude looks a bit tired, Kate looks great, still can’t get excited about the shoes. Maybe I see some reference to “La Pieta”, but I don’t think Mary had her hand on Jesus’ bum…
Eliza, no, I didn’t know about the cupcake as a tool of indoctrination! In the mean time, I wrote a response to a letter from a Catholic woman published in a local paper. She feels sorry for women who use “The Pill”, because: it objectifies them, they are motivated by lust, the pill causes breast cancer, doctors prescribe it for endometriosis or PMS without addressing the causes, and, the best one: pill increases number of abortions, which are “a backup contraceptive” – this is almost as good as the Pope and his “condoms increase chances of getting AIDS”. The woman uses Natural Family Planning, which is the only right thing, and she “knows deep down that the pill is a lie”, and so do we, ladies – at least according to her. The letter is smug, self-righteous and vomit-inducing. IMO, there is some counter-offensive by the Vatican going, after the recent scandals.
I have to say that this religious piety, pro life and all manner of things alien to us Europeans is very American unless I’m really wrong and Cricket9 lives in UK then all I can say is I don’t read the Daily Mail or Catholic Times or a local paper so miss out on all these things. Now I’m worried pro life shit has hit the UK.
I’m now thinking the long haired man and Kate Moss pic is ‘ oh arse she’s a bit heavy, I’ll hold her tight look manly and pray I don’t drop her in case they charge me for the shoes.’
Cricket9, I’m all for contraception and choice, and I HATE the pro-lifers; however, artificial hormones are NOT good for women’s health. The pill can cause stroke, hearth attack, and death (it’s on the warning of every pill box), and I’m sure I’ve read that it contributes to breast cancer and other cancers. The pill is not as liberating as everyone makes it out to be. That said, Fuck the pro-lifers and their cupcakes, but fuck big pharma too!
make do style… the pro life stuff may not be in England, but it sure as shit is in Dublin. Or at least when I was growing up. Condoms were illegal what to speak of abortions.
She does look gorgeous but something about her really bugs me lately. I think it was that I read an interview with Alexander McQueen’s ex and all he talked about was how fake her and her group of friends were. That’s always a downer to hear.
Bessie, the correlation with breast cancer is that women who never get pregnant (and thus, never produce milk to clear their ducts) are more likely to get breast cancer. Of course many women who take the Pill become or are mothers. It’s also been proved to lower the risk of uterine and endometrial cancers. Though I agree that women should not jump to hormonal contraceptives without considering their alternatives, especially as someone with a heart condition, keep in mind that the warnings are there partially because the initial dose was about 10x too high for the body to safely handle.
Cricket, glad to hear you’ve also been pro-active! The Catholic bishops who made up some committee on birth control wanted to give the Church’s approval as early as 1966, but the Pope vetoed it. It’s ridiculous they’ve decided never to revisit the issue.
I live in Canada, and so far we had a fairly good situation here, but I really don’t like what’s going on now. Bessie, I know that the pill is not an ideal solution (by the way, it does protect to some extend from ovarian cancer), but it’s not a tool of Satan either, and NFP is not going to work for every woman. It’s the preaching and the bloody smugness that got at me…
I’m slightly mystified, as a non-American from a country that has no shortage of religious nut jobs: why exactly is abortion such a big deal in the US?
I’m firmly of the belief that my uterus is no one else’s business, but the fact that some American right-wingers think it is, is puzzling.
Dru, I’m from Poland, where in the old communist days abortion was legal until 3 months of pregnancy, and you could get it in the state hospital (although you’d rather not go there). Now, under the apparently democratic system it’s illegal even in a case of rape, thanks to the very strong influence of the Catholic Church, and is punishable by long prison sentences. The argument against is, “you are killing an unborn child, and it’s murder”. One of the women commenting on the pill wrote that she “feels sorrow for every fertilized egg” that is not implanted – not realizing that, if you are on the pill, no eggs get fertilized. The old Monty Pythons’ song comes to mind: “every sperm is sacred”, and so on…
Eliza, I’m past the age to worry about an unwanted pregnancy, but my blood just boils at the sheer stupidity of all this.
Cricket9- wow, that is ridiculous. I went to Catholic schools for most of my school life, and they were big on indoctrinating us about abortion and sex (specifically, anti-abortion and anti-sex) right from the start. It stands to reason that that indoctrination might actually work its way into government policy in a Catholic-majority country like Poland, or even Italy/Ireland- but I’m still not clear why Americans think it’s such a big deal, the country isn’t a Catholic-majority one after all.
Artful M- the fallen angels from His Dark Materials were most definitely gay. I remember crying a bit when I read the end.
I’ll have to re-read His Dark Materials – don’t remember the gay angels!
Why abortion is such a big deal in non-Catholic majority country like US – I don’t really know; maybe a puritan legacy, maybe all these “fire and brimstone” sects?
In Canada our current premier is an evangelical Christian – whatever that is – and Canada recently decided not to provide funds for abortion in the developing countries. We have approx. 170 pro-life groups and associations with charitable status. Anyway, the premise of pro-lifers is, a fertilized egg (and consequently a fetus) has a soul therefore, it’s a person. There is absolutely nothing in the Bible supporting this view – life according to the Bible begins with “breath”.
^they don’t enter the picture until book 2- towards the end, I think- and spend quite a lot of time with Will.
I think the anti-abortion movement in the US is always going to be a little mystifying to me, but thanks for the info – ‘fire and brimstone’ is definitely a good way to describe the kind of frenzies that get whipped up over this.
Nice point about the Bible and breath, though. Now if only people would remember that ‘go forth and multiply’ is not the eleventh commandment, and probably didn’t mean ‘overrun the planet and make it eventually unlivable’, we’d be better off.
I didn’t know that about Canada’s foreign policy on reproductive rights – of course the USA has been playing that game for years, including with contraceptives, and not providing AIDS funding for international organizations that help sex workers.
Abortion is not murder to the educated, but it should still fall under the same clause under Thou Shalt Not Kill permitting war, genocide, capital punishment, self-defense, and deaths related to exorcism and faith healing. The Bible doesn’t even recognize the fetus as equivalent to living humans. It’s the same principle as animals; these living creatures do not have the same level of sentiency, therefore we do not give them equal value.
Exodus 21:22-25 — “And if men struggle and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.”
Leviticus 27:6 — “And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.”
Numbers 3:15-16 — “Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the Lord.”
Ecclesiastes 6:3-6 — “A man may have a hundred children and live many years; yet no matter how long he lives, if he cannot enjoy his prosperity and does not receive proper burial, I say that a stillborn child is better off than he. It comes without meaning, it departs in darkness, and in darkness its name is shrouded. Though it never saw the sun or knew anything, it has more rest than does that man- even if he lives a thousand years twice over but fails to enjoy his prosperity. Do not all go to the same place?”
Ecclesiastes 4:3 — “But better off than both of them is the one who has never existed, who has never seen the evil activity that is done under the sun.”
Job 10:18-19 — “Why then hast Thou brought me out of the womb? Would that I had died and no eye had seen me! I should have been as though I had not been, carried from womb to tomb.”
Also, sorry that I so derailed the comments section on this lovely picture. Not Kate Moss fan but it’s simple in its beauty, and I like how her exaggerated eye makeup matches the wings on the wedges.
Back to the pic – this is another version of anklets & “come fuck me” heels. Child-like innocence graphically mixed with very adult themes (the guy). Always an attention getter. Everyone in the image appears to be of age so what the hell.
I dunno why, his hand placement is what gets me. Since nobody else talked about that, I feel kind of like a pervert for seeing it as so sexual. It just seems like he’s holding her private parts but could really care less. All, “Been there, done that, got the photos to prove it.”
Kate looks beautiful even sitting on a tired old hippie (whose hair is actually quite lovely)….or is he God and she is a Fallen Angel ?; nope, should have left this to the smart ones..
There’s someone for everyone?
oooh, I love those little winged Mercury/Hermes sandals, they’d be even cooler if they could actually fly (like the real Mercury/Hermes). I have nothing more intelligent than that to say.
Turn another cheek…
It’s not a proper one, failed….
I could be wrong, but my first impression was that this was some kind of religious image. Maybe the Michaelangelo sculpture where Mary is holding Jesus? http://www.eyeconart.net/history/Renaissance/michelangelo.htm
My very first thought was “Edgy! Trying to rile up the holy rollers.” But I think only heathens like myself remember such things anyway, lol.
I think its really beautiful. I guess it could be a gender switched Pieta..
Which has to be the most hackneyed religious reference in 20th century art of all kinds.
Whether it is or not i love it. I love that it looks maternal or paternal and to me not really sexual. The colours are so soft and lovely.
I tend to hate advertising images because I hate people trying to sell me something. I am stubborn like that. Against my will i love this.
I still hate plastic shoes though, even if they have wings on the side.
any Christians that are going ot be riled up by yet another pieta are stupid. using god to sell things would offend me far more.. but O YES those religious types do that ALL THE TIME.
My first reaction was: oh, that’s what they use now instead of “concrete shoes”, she’ll go down and sink in seconds!
Maybe I’m just pissed off – we had an pro-life, anti-abortion protest in front of the Parliament building, with loads of children trucked from Catholic schools; I wonder if dragging children from public schools to a pro-choice demonstration would be OK. Sorry for going OT…
Such great shoes I love them and how poetic the setting even God is a cool dude who’ll save a wannabe rock chic.
To clarify: I was thinking it COULD be controversial in some people’s eyes (certainly not mine) in terms of Kate Moss playing the role of a dying Jesus and the wickedly tattooed man in the role of Mary, his hair falling on his shoulders like a veil/habit/burka. lol. But as I said my second thought was, nah… those people won’t get it. 😉
Cricket, are you familiar with Pro-Life (sic) Cupcake Day? They pass out cupcakes to children and tell them if they were aborted they would never have a birthday to celebrate. Think of all the embryos and fetuses who’ve never tasted cake. (Safe to say those weren’t Jehovahs.) I feel the same way about that indoctrination as I do the infuriating “Be Grateful Your Mom Was Pro-Life” bumper stickers. Really? I’m grateful my mother had me by choice, not chance.Forced gestation has no place in a democracy. I hate that they use children like pawns like that.
Oye vey, here I go. If the old dude (he may be younger than me) wasn’t sitting on a cube of sugar I would have liked the image better. And . . . I don’t really go for father/daughter sexual images, or May/December relationships. BWTF, that’s me.
Love those shoes.
I thought it had a religious feel to it too, and the funny thing is, that the god of my understanding, would not be offended, (amused perhaps)
I do love Vivienne Westwood. Maybe the image is supposed to represent the sort of God who’d preside over the fashion world. A “Fashion God,” I suppose. That would explain his tattoos and overall aura of fatherliness yet coolness. Kate is representing a little Lamb from his fashion flock.
Worship at the Church of Fashion God (aka Vivienne and Melissa or whatever) and look just like Kate.
The dude looks a bit tired, Kate looks great, still can’t get excited about the shoes. Maybe I see some reference to “La Pieta”, but I don’t think Mary had her hand on Jesus’ bum…
Eliza, no, I didn’t know about the cupcake as a tool of indoctrination! In the mean time, I wrote a response to a letter from a Catholic woman published in a local paper. She feels sorry for women who use “The Pill”, because: it objectifies them, they are motivated by lust, the pill causes breast cancer, doctors prescribe it for endometriosis or PMS without addressing the causes, and, the best one: pill increases number of abortions, which are “a backup contraceptive” – this is almost as good as the Pope and his “condoms increase chances of getting AIDS”. The woman uses Natural Family Planning, which is the only right thing, and she “knows deep down that the pill is a lie”, and so do we, ladies – at least according to her. The letter is smug, self-righteous and vomit-inducing. IMO, there is some counter-offensive by the Vatican going, after the recent scandals.
I have to say that this religious piety, pro life and all manner of things alien to us Europeans is very American unless I’m really wrong and Cricket9 lives in UK then all I can say is I don’t read the Daily Mail or Catholic Times or a local paper so miss out on all these things. Now I’m worried pro life shit has hit the UK.
I’m now thinking the long haired man and Kate Moss pic is ‘ oh arse she’s a bit heavy, I’ll hold her tight look manly and pray I don’t drop her in case they charge me for the shoes.’
Cricket9, I’m all for contraception and choice, and I HATE the pro-lifers; however, artificial hormones are NOT good for women’s health. The pill can cause stroke, hearth attack, and death (it’s on the warning of every pill box), and I’m sure I’ve read that it contributes to breast cancer and other cancers. The pill is not as liberating as everyone makes it out to be. That said, Fuck the pro-lifers and their cupcakes, but fuck big pharma too!
make do style… the pro life stuff may not be in England, but it sure as shit is in Dublin. Or at least when I was growing up. Condoms were illegal what to speak of abortions.
She looks So beautiful its obnoxious.
She does look gorgeous but something about her really bugs me lately. I think it was that I read an interview with Alexander McQueen’s ex and all he talked about was how fake her and her group of friends were. That’s always a downer to hear.
Bessie, the correlation with breast cancer is that women who never get pregnant (and thus, never produce milk to clear their ducts) are more likely to get breast cancer. Of course many women who take the Pill become or are mothers. It’s also been proved to lower the risk of uterine and endometrial cancers. Though I agree that women should not jump to hormonal contraceptives without considering their alternatives, especially as someone with a heart condition, keep in mind that the warnings are there partially because the initial dose was about 10x too high for the body to safely handle.
Cricket, glad to hear you’ve also been pro-active! The Catholic bishops who made up some committee on birth control wanted to give the Church’s approval as early as 1966, but the Pope vetoed it. It’s ridiculous they’ve decided never to revisit the issue.
I live in Canada, and so far we had a fairly good situation here, but I really don’t like what’s going on now. Bessie, I know that the pill is not an ideal solution (by the way, it does protect to some extend from ovarian cancer), but it’s not a tool of Satan either, and NFP is not going to work for every woman. It’s the preaching and the bloody smugness that got at me…
I’m slightly mystified, as a non-American from a country that has no shortage of religious nut jobs: why exactly is abortion such a big deal in the US?
I’m firmly of the belief that my uterus is no one else’s business, but the fact that some American right-wingers think it is, is puzzling.
Dru, I’m from Poland, where in the old communist days abortion was legal until 3 months of pregnancy, and you could get it in the state hospital (although you’d rather not go there). Now, under the apparently democratic system it’s illegal even in a case of rape, thanks to the very strong influence of the Catholic Church, and is punishable by long prison sentences. The argument against is, “you are killing an unborn child, and it’s murder”. One of the women commenting on the pill wrote that she “feels sorrow for every fertilized egg” that is not implanted – not realizing that, if you are on the pill, no eggs get fertilized. The old Monty Pythons’ song comes to mind: “every sperm is sacred”, and so on…
Eliza, I’m past the age to worry about an unwanted pregnancy, but my blood just boils at the sheer stupidity of all this.
I don’t get any of those heavy looking, clunky shoes but that’s just me.
I keep thinking – experienced fallen angel catches newbie who hasn’t figured out flight yet. Or was drunk (don’t drink and fly!).
Milton question – were the fallen angels really sorta gay, or am I just thinking of that Neil Gaiman short story and graphic novel?
Cricket9- wow, that is ridiculous. I went to Catholic schools for most of my school life, and they were big on indoctrinating us about abortion and sex (specifically, anti-abortion and anti-sex) right from the start. It stands to reason that that indoctrination might actually work its way into government policy in a Catholic-majority country like Poland, or even Italy/Ireland- but I’m still not clear why Americans think it’s such a big deal, the country isn’t a Catholic-majority one after all.
Artful M- the fallen angels from His Dark Materials were most definitely gay. I remember crying a bit when I read the end.
Oops, should have clarified- HDM was influenced by Paradise Lost, so the gay angels were really Pullman’s take on Milton, not Milton’s take per se.
I’ll have to re-read His Dark Materials – don’t remember the gay angels!
Why abortion is such a big deal in non-Catholic majority country like US – I don’t really know; maybe a puritan legacy, maybe all these “fire and brimstone” sects?
In Canada our current premier is an evangelical Christian – whatever that is – and Canada recently decided not to provide funds for abortion in the developing countries. We have approx. 170 pro-life groups and associations with charitable status. Anyway, the premise of pro-lifers is, a fertilized egg (and consequently a fetus) has a soul therefore, it’s a person. There is absolutely nothing in the Bible supporting this view – life according to the Bible begins with “breath”.
^they don’t enter the picture until book 2- towards the end, I think- and spend quite a lot of time with Will.
I think the anti-abortion movement in the US is always going to be a little mystifying to me, but thanks for the info – ‘fire and brimstone’ is definitely a good way to describe the kind of frenzies that get whipped up over this.
Nice point about the Bible and breath, though. Now if only people would remember that ‘go forth and multiply’ is not the eleventh commandment, and probably didn’t mean ‘overrun the planet and make it eventually unlivable’, we’d be better off.
I didn’t know that about Canada’s foreign policy on reproductive rights – of course the USA has been playing that game for years, including with contraceptives, and not providing AIDS funding for international organizations that help sex workers.
Abortion is not murder to the educated, but it should still fall under the same clause under Thou Shalt Not Kill permitting war, genocide, capital punishment, self-defense, and deaths related to exorcism and faith healing. The Bible doesn’t even recognize the fetus as equivalent to living humans. It’s the same principle as animals; these living creatures do not have the same level of sentiency, therefore we do not give them equal value.
Exodus 21:22-25 — “And if men struggle and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.”
Leviticus 27:6 — “And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.”
Numbers 3:15-16 — “Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the Lord.”
Ecclesiastes 6:3-6 — “A man may have a hundred children and live many years; yet no matter how long he lives, if he cannot enjoy his prosperity and does not receive proper burial, I say that a stillborn child is better off than he. It comes without meaning, it departs in darkness, and in darkness its name is shrouded. Though it never saw the sun or knew anything, it has more rest than does that man- even if he lives a thousand years twice over but fails to enjoy his prosperity. Do not all go to the same place?”
Ecclesiastes 4:3 — “But better off than both of them is the one who has never existed, who has never seen the evil activity that is done under the sun.”
Job 10:18-19 — “Why then hast Thou brought me out of the womb? Would that I had died and no eye had seen me! I should have been as though I had not been, carried from womb to tomb.”
Also, sorry that I so derailed the comments section on this lovely picture. Not Kate Moss fan but it’s simple in its beauty, and I like how her exaggerated eye makeup matches the wings on the wedges.
Back to the pic – this is another version of anklets & “come fuck me” heels. Child-like innocence graphically mixed with very adult themes (the guy). Always an attention getter. Everyone in the image appears to be of age so what the hell.
I dunno why, his hand placement is what gets me. Since nobody else talked about that, I feel kind of like a pervert for seeing it as so sexual. It just seems like he’s holding her private parts but could really care less. All, “Been there, done that, got the photos to prove it.”