Narcissists and Psychopaths

Against my better judgment, I joined an online support group for people estranged from their adult children. Sure enough, the expression “misery loves company” proved to be wholly inaccurate. It was like being submerged in a vat of hurt and anger. There was no upside, at least not for me.

Without exception, the members were female, which itself is depressing. Don’t dads care about being banished ? Do they prefer to suffer privately? Or is it largely mothers who are the target of estrangement? The mothers seemed to want guidelines on how to proceed on their Journey, ahem, and seemed willing to act on the advice of total strangers. Most were in agony: How could this happen! they wondered. Some were so bitter that they proudly renounced the children who had renounced them first.

Some seemed pretty nuts, evidenced by long sagas of petty squabbles and resentments. And yet even they didn’t fit the description of narcissism, the premiere accusation of estranged adult children. The narcissist mother is usually the villain of the piece. It’s probably more satisfying than just saying I can’t stand my mom. Here’s my private joke for a anyone enmeshed in this situation:

Why did the chicken cross the road?
Because she’s a narcissist.

I subscribe to a newsletter from a well-known expert on family estrangement, and one of the latest was titled “Is My Child a Psychopath?”. I laughed out loud, and who wouldn’t? What an extreme and somehow apt counter to the assumption that your mom is a narcissist.

If being labeled a narcissist isn’t bad enough, there’s now a new kind of narcissist you can be, if you exhibit the exact opposite behavior of narcissists! I thought someone made this up, but no, there’s now a diagnosis called Covert Narcissism, where instead of being shameless and insensitive, you are hypersensitive and filled with shame. To me, this is like finding a new kind of depression that is defined by being happy.

Fuck this, right?

Likewise, calling people psychopaths because they won’t act how you want them to is a pointless proposition. I believe I know only one psychopath and their behavior is pretty psychopathic by any standard. I think we should save this label for only the most deserving.

The worst thing about the support group was the sappy self-care platitudes and the icky affirmation memes or whatever they’re called:

These things make me more despondent, but they seem integral to the Self Help Industrial Complex. People seem to love them. They remind me how averse I am to positivity.

You know that expression “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result”? It strikes me as more of an AA aphorism than something Einstein would say. Most of us are doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result. Only Sisyphus knows and accepts that repeating his efforts is useless. The definition of sanity is cultural and keeps changing, but I hope at least some of us can escape being labeled narcissists and psychopaths.

Let’s use gentler language when throwing around diagnoses. Yesterday, I kindly explained to someone who was arguing with me, “You perceive disagreement as an attack, because of your fragile personality structure.” Try saying that during a dispute.  It’s the kind of thing I love, but also the kind of thing that got me kicked out of the support group. Oh well.

 

( btw C.W., if you are reading this, I love you so much, you can’t imagine.)

 

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7 Responses to Narcissists and Psychopaths

  1. Ali says:

    Love you too!!

  2. Mary says:

    You are sooo good! Averse to positivity, is there a group for that?

  3. Kristy Sigman says:

    Nice writing Sister. Affirmation memes are one of the worst products of social media.

  4. Sister Wolf says:

    Ali – that was for C., but it applies to all my kids xoxo
    Mary – I’m glad you understand! There probably is a group…maybe for nihilists? We don’t want to join that though, do we?
    Kristy Sigman – Thank you so much! And so true..but I have learned to hate all memes, just because, you know?

  5. Suspended says:

    I’m in the unfortunate position of being surrounded by neighbours that fit the bill. Next door is the ‘new’ type of narcissist; always looking for sympathy for her gloomy disposition. Always imagines the worst to facilitate her agenda. Spiteful and petty (yet, can be considerate and compassionate.) Quickly turns on people in the craziest of rages. Even attacked an old man in church when he reminded her that she wasn’t supposed to be filming the children (something that had been repeated a million times before the kid’s Easter performance began.)
    Then I have the classic sociopathic narcissist to the back of me. Always controlling and bullying, yet, thinks he is the victim and the world is out to get him. I’ve never encountered a more petty fuck-bag in my entire life. His face is constantly set to pissed-off and he does everything he can to try and provoke me. He is failing miserably. Also, a misogynistic douche! He is the first instance of me meeting another human and realising demons exist. He thrives on sucking the happiness out of people. I’m probably quite fortunate that he is my first demon. His ex-wife looks like her soul has left her body. He now dates someone younger who looks like his eldest daughter. Fucking creepy.
    Somehow, the rules don’t exist for these people. They only exist for us, and woe betides any of us who should have the audacity to break them.
    I know one is definitely a cokehead and I have very strong suspicions about the other after several bouts of verbal diarrhoea. Cocaine is a helluva drug. You don’t get to abuse it for years scot-free.

  6. mark-EE says:

    I’m finding that the “I need to separate myself from you for my own emotional protection” line of reasoning when cutting oneself off from loved ones is very popular these days. Most of the time, the actual meaning is “I need to separate myself from you because you point to some horrible aspects of my personality and I don’t like it, nor do I like being held accountable for anything. My preference is so great that I don’t care that I’m really hurting people who love me. Fuck them, I want to remain comfortable.”

  7. mark-EE says:

    Also, Suspended, I love you. Those neighbors sound amazing.

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